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Well... (Fri Mar 7 20:17:44 2003 )
Ms. Poe [View profile ]
http://www.tokyoanime2.com
mspoe@kc.rr.com

Just my thoughts...

Cels generally are released into the open market 
by the companies themselves.  The companies who 
own the rights to the series, image, etc.

You buy one of said cels the company has 
released. You now own your own cel.  The company 
will hold onto the copyright for however long 
stated by the law, etc.

Just like in every day life.  You go to Target, 
or a shopping mall, and buy something a company 
made, and use it for everyday use.  The company 
holds the rights to this object, patent, 
whatever.  BUT, you are permitted to use it in 
any way befitting of you practical to what the 
object is intended for.  

OK, now you're tired of said object, and think 
someone else would be happier with it, or just 
need some cash.  You have a "Garage Sale".  You 
sell the item to a customer who in turn takes it 
home and uses it according ot what it's purpose 
is.

Sort of sounds like cel collecting, eh?

Now...Here's where it gets interesting.

The original company who produced this good, 
holds the copyright, patent, whatever.  Just as 
long as you don't market said object, or IMAGE as 
with a cel...You are free to use it in any way 
beffiting to the object.  Even to sell said 
object, unless strictly stated by the company.  
You make a fancel of an original cel, you are 
marketing a copyrighted image for your own 
profit.  Which...I believe...Is in direct 
violation of a copyright law.  

So...There are many aspects to this arguement, 
and you know what?  It's not going to get solved 
unless you get the actual company rep to comment 
on it, as well as their legal team.

In my views...You better be watching your back 
when it comes to the actual companies coming 
after ya'...Which...Heh...A lot of these people 
know rarely catch up to them...Which is why you 
keep seeing low-class fancel artists putting up a 
ton of crap on E-bay.  Companies rarely go after 
the small fry...

I don't see how these guys make a profit?  The 
supplies has got to cost them more than what they 
actually sell^^'!

It all comes down to $$$ in the end.  And it 
really doesn't matter how much you scream your 
hatred at them...They won't stop doing 
business...Unless...You get money 
involved...Through legal fees...Notices...etc ^^'!

Gee...It's ALWAYS about $$$ isn't it?  YES.  Yes 
it is.

I all in all support Fan Cel artists'.  I 
couldn't care less if they reproduced a cel in my 
gallery...But you know what?

I am going to be mighty pissed if someone takes a 
cel image from my gallery and tries selling it 
without my permission.  I for one will guarantee 
to make his/her life a living hell.

Be polite.  ASK.  How hard is it to shoot off a 
god damned e-mail asking permission.  And, if you 
get turned down...Go find a screen cap of the 
image and modify it to look like a cel...Go find 
an artbook image of it on the net...Or...Just 
simply move on in life.  Sleep on it...You'll 
feel differently about this "TRAGEDY" in the 
morning.  And...Even if you got turned down the 
first time...Doesn't mean another polite e-mail 
might not get you your wish....;P!

Cel Collectors know what's going on in the 
community.  they know when a fancel is their 
cel.  We know when it's been copied.  But, when 
in doubt...Ask the whole community.  We all have 
this "Cel Sense".  You know what I'm ranting 
about guys ;P!

But...In the end..."LOW CLASS" fancel artists are 
a turd in my book.  It's they way things work in 
the community here.  ASKING PERMISSION WILL GET 
YOU FAR!  BE POLITE!

And to those fancel artist who keep themselves in 
the Upper Class...Keep the good work coming!

PS~IF anybody brings up an arguement about the 
Umetsu fancels the lovely Gwen made for 
me...Refer to the above....Mass marketing the 
image without comapnies/creators 
permission...etc.  Remember that.  Also, I talked 
to Umetsu...He loved your work Gwen ;P!



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