sort of.  not sure if you intended your poses as 
an attack, but if you'd put yourself in my shoes 
you would realize they certainly came across that 
way.

but the issue of permission *again*.  [bangs her 
head against the wall]  how many times must i 
reiterate that the 'permission' you're referring 
to isn't even valid?  of course i don't have the 
winning bidder's permission, any more than i 
would have gotten CLAMP's permission to make the 
cel had i done it from a screen-cap!  but at 
least in that case the permission *is* CLAMP's
to give!!!

what comes next?  demanding people remove screen 
caps from galleries if someone has one featuring 
your beloved cel?  it's 'mine', don't copy it.  
it's 'mine', take it down from your shameless 
public display of what i paid good money for?  
don't be rediculous!  if anyone has the right to 
make such requests, it is the copyright holders 
of the image in question.

okay, try this comparison.  you've just purchased 
for a hefty sum an original manuscript by Stephen 
King (congrats ~_^)  does that make you the 
copyright holder of the material?  Stephen King 
would definitely argue 'no'.  does that give you 
the right to demand permission of people quoting 
from, disseminating, publishing, spoofing, fan-
ficcing or otherwise copying the material?  of 
course not.

if you can tell me how cel collecting is any 
different from that example, i'd love to hear it.

as for your assumptions regarding my employment 
status and monetary well-being, well...  you know 
what they say about assumptions.  goes for my 
collection as well, though i fail to see how that 
even plays into the discussion.

*and* i appreciate that *since* you deem my 
collection inferior (you have seen it, yes?) that 
*that* is the reason i don't mind if my cels are
copied???  the value (and if i understand 
correctly you mean cash here) of a cel dictates 
how high we, as collectors, hold it in esteem?  i 
for one find that assessment to be quite off.  
some of my most dear and favorite cels came quite 
cheaply compared to others in the herd, and i've 
seen many a collector over-pay for cels.

as for copying, i believe i addressed that issue 
to *death* in an earlier post.  go back and try 
reading it again.  i do agree about original fan
cels, don't get me wrong.  only, some of us just 
need a little practice to get us there...

-whizbang
if a fan cel is made and never posted to this 
forum, would anyone care?