I kinda agree with the market forces argument.. I 
mean if i get outbid for something i like then 
tough i did not pay enough for it..  

You don't pay enough you don't get it...

At the same time i acpet what the collectors are 
saying.. it does drive the price up but again no 
one is forcing them to pay.. 

The cel belongs to that seller & he can destroy 
it if he wishes..

I find it hard to make a persuasive arguement for 
the fact that it's not ok to buy cels to resell 
if they are found online but ok if the seller got 
it elsewhere....  Whether they buy them 
wholesale  or not they are planning to make a 
profit...